<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Forgot cc<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 3, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Quentin Young <<a href="mailto:qlyoung@cumulusnetworks.com" class="">qlyoung@cumulusnetworks.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><span class="" style="display: inline !important;">Okay from a practical standpoint I think this means that we have to support centos 6.x in new FRR releases until one year before the “Maintenance Updates” phase ends as we only support FRR release (even security fixes) for ~1 year. Right?</span></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Can you elaborate on how you drew that conclusion from this:</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">For whatever the platform in question is, we do the same thing. Continue to ship updated FRR packages for platforms in the “Full Updates” phase. Then once they enter the “Maintenance Updates” phase we freeze the package at whatever version it is, or close to it depending on convenience, and then only back port security fixes / critical bug fixes.</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>I don’t think I understand your interpretation.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Quentin</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 3, 2018, at 5:49 PM, Lou Berger <<a href="mailto:lberger@labn.net" class="">lberger@labn.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Okay from a practical standpoint I think this means that we have to support centos 6.x in new FRR releases until one year before the “Maintenance Updates” phase ends as we only support FRR release (even security fixes) for ~1 year. Right?</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">On 3/2/2018 12:45 PM, Lou Berger wrote:</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On 2/27/2018 2:49 PM, Quentin Young wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">There’s two EOL dates in the table. Let’s not pretend that 1 of them is the ’true' EOL date.<br class=""><br class="">+---------------------+----------------------+<br class="">| Full Updates | May 10th, 2017 |<br class="">+---------------------+----------------------+<br class="">| Maintenance Updates | November 30th, 2020 |<br class="">+---------------------+----------------------+<br class=""><br class="">Here is what I propose, since the majority of platforms follow something like the above, roughly:<br class=""><br class="">- “Full Updates” period, where packages are actively updated, new features, new kernels etc<br class="">- “Maintenance Updates” i.e. only back porting security fixes / critical bug fixes<br class=""><br class="">For whatever the platform in question is, we do the same thing. Continue to ship updated FRR packages for platforms in the “Full Updates” phase. Then once they enter the “Maintenance Updates” phase we freeze the package at whatever version it is, or close to it depending on convenience, and then only back port security fixes / critical bug fixes.<br class=""><br class="">Does this sound reasonable to everyone?<br class=""></blockquote>At first glance, yes.<br class=""><br class="">But what does this really mean in practical terms, *we* don't expect to support an FRR release for more than say about year right?<br class=""><br class="">Are you saying we now need to keep old releases around for as long as we have a platform on which we're doing Maintenance Updates? (For example, 3.0 untilNovember 30th, 2020)<br class=""><br class="">What's your thinking / proposal here?<br class=""><br class="">Lou<br class=""><br class="">On Feb 27, 2018, at 2:31 PM, Lou Berger <<a href="mailto:lberger@labn.net" class="">lberger@labn.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:lberger@labn.net" class="">mailto:lberger@labn.net</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Right. It says:<br class="">Maintenance Updates2 <<a href="https://wiki.centos.org/About/Product#fndef-a91b3c0c287c782f9af063daff9e64b566d648c7-1" class="">https://wiki.centos.org/About/Product#fndef-a91b3c0c287c782f9af063daff9e64b566d648c7-1</a>> November 30th, 2020<br class=""><br class="">On February 27, 2018 2:20:24 PM Quentin Young <<a href="mailto:qlyoung@cumulusnetworks.com" class="">qlyoung@cumulusnetworks.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:qlyoung@cumulusnetworks.com" class="">mailto:qlyoung@cumulusnetworks.com</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">As Donald said in his email,<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">We are just trying to match what the EOL is from the centos website itself.<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote><br class=""><a href="https://wiki.centos.org/About/Product" class="">https://wiki.centos.org/About/Product</a><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Feb 27, 2018, at 2:15 PM, Lou Berger <<a href="mailto:lberger@labn.net" class="">lberger@labn.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:lberger@labn.net" class="">mailto:lberger@labn.net</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">fair point, based on a quick google:<br class=""><br class=""><a href="https://linuxlifecycle.com/" class="">https://linuxlifecycle.com/</a><br class=""><br class="">CentOS 6 (released 10 Jul 2011, EOL 30 Nov 2020)<br class=""><br class="">Lou<br class=""><br class="">On 2/27/2018 2:01 PM, Donald Sharp wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Isn't that Redhat, not centos 6? Different distributions. We are<br class="">just trying to match what the EOL is from the centos website itself.<br class=""><br class="">donald<br class=""><br class="">On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Lou Berger <<a href="mailto:lberger@labn.net" class="">lberger@labn.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:lberger@labn.net" class="">mailto:lberger@labn.net</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Thanks for the notes!<br class=""><br class="">On 2/27/2018 12:56 PM, Quentin Young wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">- Seeing as Centos 6 went EOL in May 2017, it is no longer supported; to<br class="">be<br class=""> noted in docs<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">umm, per<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata" class="">https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata</a><br class=""> Linux 6, EUS 6.7 (ends December 31, 2018)<br class=""> V6 End of Maintenance Support 2 (Product retirement): June 30, 2024<br class=""><br class="">I know of a fair number of folks still using 6.x, I think EOL support is<br class="">premature.<br class="">I think FRR support is needed through *at least* the end of this year.<br class=""><br class="">Lou<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">dev mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:dev@lists.frrouting.org" class="">dev@lists.frrouting.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:dev@lists.frrouting.org" class="">mailto:dev@lists.frrouting.org</a>><br class=""><a href="https://lists.frrouting.org/listinfo/dev" class="">https://lists.frrouting.org/listinfo/dev</a><br class=""></blockquote></blockquote><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">dev mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:dev@lists.frrouting.org" class="">dev@lists.frrouting.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:dev@lists.frrouting.org" class="">mailto:dev@lists.frrouting.org</a>><br class=""><a href="https://lists.frrouting.org/listinfo/dev" class="">https://lists.frrouting.org/listinfo/dev</a><br class=""></blockquote><br class=""></blockquote></blockquote><br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">dev mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:dev@lists.frrouting.org" class="">dev@lists.frrouting.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.frrouting.org/listinfo/dev" class="">https://lists.frrouting.org/listinfo/dev</a></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>