Re: [frr] [quagga-dev 16497] Re: Security list changes (Transparency?)
Hello Martin, I'm pretty sure that Paul is now aware of our FRR initiative and decided to remove all FRR contributors to Quagga list. Just look at Quagga on savannah. Now, there is only 2 admins: Paul and Greg. If I remember right there is more admin, at least Donald. Regards Olivier Le 11/01/2017 à 14:47, Martin Winter a écrit :
On 11 Jan 2017, at 16:24, Paul Jakma wrote:
Hi Martin,
I removed you.
I'd be glad to talk further on transparency with you.
I think it would be beneficial for everyone to have a open discussion on who should be on the list or not.
I don’t like to have this discussion in privacy - this isn’t about me. Maybe I did something stupid or you (or community?) decided on new rules for who should be on it. I think it would be beneficial to everyone to have make it public on who is on the list and probably why they are on the list (so it makes somehow the selection more transparent.
BTW: It seems it was some larger “cleanup” as more people got removed as well. Not just me.
So please, can you share your thoughts publicly?
Regards,
- Martin
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017, Martin Winter wrote:
For the ones here who are unaware:
There is a security list (security@quagga.net) which deals with security issues reported to Quagga: Assessing them, fixing them, provide the much needed disclosures etc. This is a closed list which had mostly “maintainers” and a few other selected individuals on it.
As part of our testing, I used to be on this list as well - until yesterday when I was taken off without explanation.
Not blaming anyone, but I was surprised on it - and wanted to get a public discussion on who is on the list and that I might no longer be able to test security fixes in private as part of this.
So who is still on the list? Or did the list get deleted? Or what happened?
Regards,
- Martin Winter
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Olivier, I assume so. But I would like the rest of the community to realize that just working on another project may make him kick people out. Don't want him to silently get away with it... Martin On January 11, 2017 9:24:17 PM GMT+07:00, Olivier Dugeon <olivier.dugeon@orange.com> wrote:
Hello Martin,
I'm pretty sure that Paul is now aware of our FRR initiative and decided to remove all FRR contributors to Quagga list.
Just look at Quagga on savannah. Now, there is only 2 admins: Paul and Greg. If I remember right there is more admin, at least Donald.
Regards
Olivier
Le 11/01/2017 à 14:47, Martin Winter a écrit :
On 11 Jan 2017, at 16:24, Paul Jakma wrote:
Hi Martin,
I removed you.
I'd be glad to talk further on transparency with you.
I think it would be beneficial for everyone to have a open discussion on who should be on the list or not.
I don’t like to have this discussion in privacy - this isn’t about me. Maybe I did something stupid or you (or community?) decided on new rules for who should be on it. I think it would be beneficial to everyone to have make it public on who is on the list and probably why they are on the list (so it makes somehow the selection more transparent.
BTW: It seems it was some larger “cleanup” as more people got removed as well. Not just me.
So please, can you share your thoughts publicly?
Regards,
- Martin
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017, Martin Winter wrote:
For the ones here who are unaware:
There is a security list (security@quagga.net) which deals with security issues reported to Quagga: Assessing them, fixing them, provide the much needed disclosures etc. This is a closed list which had mostly “maintainers” and a few other selected individuals on it.
As part of our testing, I used to be on this list as well - until yesterday when I was taken off without explanation.
Not blaming anyone, but I was surprised on it - and wanted to get a public discussion on who is on the list and that I might no longer be able to test security fixes in private as part of this.
So who is still on the list? Or did the list get deleted? Or what happened?
Regards,
- Martin Winter
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Hi Martin, Agree. And the following exchange on the thread let the impression that Paul is not happy and even very angry which conduct its decision to kick off FFR contributors to all Quagga tools. I think it is time to publicly announce the fork to clarify the situation. Regards Olivier Le 12/01/2017 à 04:50, Martin Winter a écrit :
Olivier,
I assume so. But I would like the rest of the community to realize that just working on another project may make him kick people out.
Don't want him to silently get away with it...
Martin
On January 11, 2017 9:24:17 PM GMT+07:00, Olivier Dugeon <olivier.dugeon@orange.com> wrote:
Hello Martin,
I'm pretty sure that Paul is now aware of our FRR initiative and decided to remove all FRR contributors to Quagga list.
Just look at Quagga on savannah. Now, there is only 2 admins: Paul and Greg. If I remember right there is more admin, at least Donald.
Regards
Olivier
Le 11/01/2017 à 14:47, Martin Winter a écrit :
On 11 Jan 2017, at 16:24, Paul Jakma wrote:
Hi Martin,
I removed you.
I'd be glad to talk further on transparency with you.
I think it would be beneficial for everyone to have a open discussion on who should be on the list or not.
I don’t like to have this discussion in privacy - this isn’t about me. Maybe I did something stupid or you (or community?) decided on new rules for who should be on it. I think it would be beneficial to everyone to have make it public on who is on the list and probably why they are on the list (so it makes somehow the selection more transparent.
BTW: It seems it was some larger “cleanup” as more people got removed as well. Not just me.
So please, can you share your thoughts publicly?
Regards,
- Martin
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017, Martin Winter wrote:
For the ones here who are unaware:
There is a security list (security@quagga.net) which deals with security issues reported to Quagga: Assessing them, fixing them, provide the much needed disclosures etc. This is a closed list which had mostly “maintainers” and a few other selected individuals on it.
As part of our testing, I used to be on this list as well - until yesterday when I was taken off without explanation.
Not blaming anyone, but I was surprised on it - and wanted to get a public discussion on who is on the list and that I might no longer be able to test security fixes in private as part of this.
So who is still on the list? Or did the list get deleted? Or what happened?
Regards,
- Martin Winter
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Ouch! I have been away for the last three and a half weeks. Sorry to see this going this way, especially with Martin. --Jafar On 1/12/2017 2:53 AM, Olivier Dugeon wrote:
Hi Martin,
Agree. And the following exchange on the thread let the impression that Paul is not happy and even very angry which conduct its decision to kick off FFR contributors to all Quagga tools.
I think it is time to publicly announce the fork to clarify the situation.
Regards
Olivier
Le 12/01/2017 à 04:50, Martin Winter a écrit :
Olivier,
I assume so. But I would like the rest of the community to realize that just working on another project may make him kick people out.
Don't want him to silently get away with it...
Martin
On January 11, 2017 9:24:17 PM GMT+07:00, Olivier Dugeon <olivier.dugeon@orange.com> wrote:
Hello Martin,
I'm pretty sure that Paul is now aware of our FRR initiative and decided to remove all FRR contributors to Quagga list.
Just look at Quagga on savannah. Now, there is only 2 admins: Paul and Greg. If I remember right there is more admin, at least Donald.
Regards
Olivier
Le 11/01/2017 à 14:47, Martin Winter a écrit :
On 11 Jan 2017, at 16:24, Paul Jakma wrote:
Hi Martin,
I removed you.
I'd be glad to talk further on transparency with you.
I think it would be beneficial for everyone to have a open discussion on who should be on the list or not.
I don’t like to have this discussion in privacy - this isn’t about me. Maybe I did something stupid or you (or community?) decided on new rules for who should be on it. I think it would be beneficial to everyone to have make it public on who is on the list and probably why they are on the list (so it makes somehow the selection more transparent.
BTW: It seems it was some larger “cleanup” as more people got removed as well. Not just me.
So please, can you share your thoughts publicly?
Regards,
- Martin
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017, Martin Winter wrote:
For the ones here who are unaware:
There is a security list (security@quagga.net) which deals with security issues reported to Quagga: Assessing them, fixing them, provide the much needed disclosures etc. This is a closed list which had mostly “maintainers” and a few other selected individuals on it.
As part of our testing, I used to be on this list as well - until yesterday when I was taken off without explanation.
Not blaming anyone, but I was surprised on it - and wanted to get a public discussion on who is on the list and that I might no longer be able to test security fixes in private as part of this.
So who is still on the list? Or did the list get deleted? Or what happened?
Regards,
- Martin Winter
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Jafar, don’t worry about me. But bad for the Quagga community and another reason for all of them to join FRR (several of the services I did for the Quagga community are cut off now, like patch testing) - Martin On 20 Jan 2017, at 22:02, Jafar Al-Gharaibeh wrote:
Ouch!
I have been away for the last three and a half weeks. Sorry to see this going this way, especially with Martin.
--Jafar
On 1/12/2017 2:53 AM, Olivier Dugeon wrote:
Hi Martin,
Agree. And the following exchange on the thread let the impression that Paul is not happy and even very angry which conduct its decision to kick off FFR contributors to all Quagga tools.
I think it is time to publicly announce the fork to clarify the situation.
Regards
Olivier
Le 12/01/2017 à 04:50, Martin Winter a écrit :
Olivier,
I assume so. But I would like the rest of the community to realize that just working on another project may make him kick people out.
Don't want him to silently get away with it...
Martin
On January 11, 2017 9:24:17 PM GMT+07:00, Olivier Dugeon <olivier.dugeon@orange.com> wrote:
Hello Martin,
I'm pretty sure that Paul is now aware of our FRR initiative and decided to remove all FRR contributors to Quagga list.
Just look at Quagga on savannah. Now, there is only 2 admins: Paul and Greg. If I remember right there is more admin, at least Donald.
Regards
Olivier
Le 11/01/2017 à 14:47, Martin Winter a écrit :
On 11 Jan 2017, at 16:24, Paul Jakma wrote:
Hi Martin,
I removed you.
I'd be glad to talk further on transparency with you.
I think it would be beneficial for everyone to have a open discussion on who should be on the list or not.
I don’t like to have this discussion in privacy - this isn’t about me. Maybe I did something stupid or you (or community?) decided on new rules for who should be on it. I think it would be beneficial to everyone to have make it public on who is on the list and probably why they are on the list (so it makes somehow the selection more transparent.
BTW: It seems it was some larger “cleanup” as more people got removed as well. Not just me.
So please, can you share your thoughts publicly?
Regards,
- Martin
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017, Martin Winter wrote:
For the ones here who are unaware:
There is a security list (security@quagga.net) which deals with security issues reported to Quagga: Assessing them, fixing them, provide the much needed disclosures etc. This is a closed list which had mostly “maintainers” and a few other selected individuals on it.
As part of our testing, I used to be on this list as well - until yesterday when I was taken off without explanation.
Not blaming anyone, but I was surprised on it - and wanted to get a public discussion on who is on the list and that I might no longer be able to test security fixes in private as part of this.
So who is still on the list? Or did the list get deleted? Or what happened?
Regards,
- Martin Winter
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