[frr] [quagga-dev 16497] Re: Security list changes (Transparency?)

[Martin Winter]

Jafar,

don’t worry about me. But bad for the Quagga community and another 
reason for all of them
to join FRR (several of the services I did for the Quagga community are 
cut off now, like
patch testing)

- Martin

On 20 Jan 2017, at 22:02, Jafar Al-Gharaibeh wrote:

> Ouch!
>
> I have been away for the last three and a half weeks.  Sorry to see 
> this going this way, especially with Martin.
>
> --Jafar
>
>
> On 1/12/2017 2:53 AM, Olivier Dugeon wrote:
>>
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>> Agree. And the following exchange on the thread let the impression 
>> that Paul is not happy and even very angry which conduct its decision 
>> to kick off FFR contributors to all Quagga tools.
>>
>> I think it is time to publicly announce the fork to clarify the 
>> situation.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Olivier
>>
>>
>> Le 12/01/2017 à 04:50, Martin Winter a écrit :
>>> Olivier,
>>>
>>> I assume so. But I would like the rest of the community to realize 
>>> that just working on another project may make him kick people out.
>>>
>>> Don't want him to silently get away with it...
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> On January 11, 2017 9:24:17 PM GMT+07:00, Olivier Dugeon 
>>> <olivier.dugeon at orange.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hello Martin,
>>>
>>>     I'm pretty sure that Paul is now aware of our FRR initiative and
>>>     decided to remove all FRR contributors to Quagga list.
>>>
>>>     Just look at Quagga on savannah. Now, there is only 2 admins:
>>>     Paul and Greg. If I remember right there is more admin, at least
>>>     Donald.
>>>
>>>     Regards
>>>
>>>     Olivier
>>>
>>>
>>>     Le 11/01/2017 à 14:47, Martin Winter a écrit :
>>>>     On 11 Jan 2017, at 16:24, Paul Jakma wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>     Hi Martin,
>>>>>
>>>>>     I removed you.
>>>>>
>>>>>     I'd be glad to talk further on transparency with you.
>>>>
>>>>     I think it would be beneficial for everyone to have a open
>>>>     discussion on who should be on the list
>>>>     or not.
>>>>
>>>>     I don’t like to have this discussion in privacy - this 
>>>> isn’t
>>>>     about me. Maybe I did something stupid
>>>>     or you (or community?) decided on new rules for who should be 
>>>> on
>>>>     it. I think it would be beneficial
>>>>     to everyone to have make it public on who is on the list and
>>>>     probably why they are on the list (so
>>>>     it makes somehow the selection more transparent.
>>>>
>>>>     BTW: It seems it was some larger “cleanup” as more people 
>>>> got
>>>>     removed as well. Not just me.
>>>>
>>>>     So please, can you share your thoughts publicly?
>>>>
>>>>     Regards,
>>>>
>>>>     - Martin
>>>>
>>>>>     On Wed, 11 Jan 2017, Martin Winter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>     For the ones here who are unaware:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     There is a security list (security at quagga.net) which deals
>>>>>>     with security issues reported to Quagga: Assessing them,
>>>>>>     fixing them, provide the much needed disclosures etc. This is
>>>>>>     a closed list which had mostly “maintainers” and a few 
>>>>>> other
>>>>>>     selected individuals on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     As part of our testing, I used to be on this list as well -
>>>>>>     until yesterday when I was taken off without explanation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Not blaming anyone, but I was surprised on it - and wanted to
>>>>>>     get a public discussion on who is on the list and that I 
>>>>>> might
>>>>>>     no longer be able to test security fixes in private as part 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>     this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     So who is still on the list? Or did the list get deleted? Or
>>>>>>     what happened?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     - Martin Winter
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>     -- 
>>>>>     Paul Jakma | paul at jakma.org | @pjakma | Key ID: 
>>>>> 0xD86BF79464A2FF6A
>>>>>     Fortune:
>>>>>     A university faculty is 500 egotists with a common parking
>>>>>     problem.
>>>>
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>>
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